"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



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on May 06, 2008

Have you learned nothing from the media?  Horrible, stomach churning violence and the dark acts and deeds of others are absolutely fine...as long as you don't see any boobs or say a naughty word.

~Zoo

on May 06, 2008
I am sorry but this is pretty funny but I do see the injustice in this and find the political correctness, as always, over the top.

The thing is...now I want to play Eve after reading this. Nothing like a down an outback down and dirty virtual word to play in. Personally I think it would be great fun to create a team and hunt down every last one of your cruel and unjust attackers..the fat girl first!
on May 06, 2008
Shouldn't have called her fat, that becomes a personal attack.. bet they would not have had a problem with the f-bomb as long as it was a response to getting ganked, but if you were callign her a f-ing fat pig daughter of an incestuous flea ridden camel.. then she can claim harassment. about the paying others to complain against you for community standards, that may not be something to go to the normal gms about, you'd probably need a supervisor to show that she used isk to get other players harass you..

Point 2.. you should probably not play anyhow, the death penalty is way too harsh, and behaviors such as you described ARE part of the acceptable game..
on May 06, 2008
; A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.


fail.



But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.


double fail

And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


triple fail

this game has failed
on May 06, 2008
I am happy you were able to get out an prepubescent sillyness worked out away from the Stardock community. Thank you
on May 06, 2008
EVE's agression and trick system is horrible, and the game is way too much like real life. Real life isn't fun. The graphics are good, the things you can do are fun, but they way people act, and the devs encouraging mean acts is unacceptable. They allow racketeering, murder, and piracy, but not bad langauge? Oh, my god! CCP, get a life!
on May 06, 2008
But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat


There in lies the problem, while I must accept you did nothing except that which is quoted, you might have filled up the chat window of that other player with the F word.

Still, I think the blurred line here are "Personal" attacks. Ganking a newbie in his noob ship is you attacking him In Game. Saying he is a fat brat whos mother sold him for money is a Personal attack. One is against his in game stuff, like ships, the other is against his Real Life persona. It is a thin line in EVE, but as your case prove, the GMs will unleash their ban hammer without remorse or second thought when they think it deserves it.
on May 06, 2008
You are welcomed to say fuck whenever you want in this game...or can you...?

Anyways, I honestly rather be called a Fat, Midget homosexual than get my new battleship, that cost me millions of credits and three weeks of leveling up mining for crap and bounty hunting, blown up.

those people at Eve are pussies.

...can I say that?
on May 06, 2008
The thing is...now I want to play Eve after reading this. Nothing like a down an outback down and dirty virtual word to play in. Personally I think it would be great fun to create a team and hunt down every last one of your cruel and unjust attackers..the fat girl first!


I played eve for a good couple of years and became quite experianced at it. The thing is Eve is a scammers heaven; corp scamming is permitted amongst other thing. The alure is people join thinking they can be some pirate but the fact is most will get owned 24/7 for at least 6 months if not 1 year or more because the big corps have been playing eve from day 1, now consider that eve workd on a time based system , thats a hell of alot of money in fees before you can hold your own. (Also consider that the PVE is terrible, total basic and its PVE a newbie must do to make cash and while waiting months upon months to get even a remotely good skill)

You should join though , I liked it in a way but it had a tendancy to attract little farts with big egos lol In all fairness there are some good people as well, but dont be surprised if you start a corp, think you have trusted officers and 6 months down the line when you make it rich they steal everything you have and you dont have a leg to stand on as far as ccp is concerned. So while I liked some aspects In the end I decided It wasnt for me to be in a game where you couldnt really trust anyone, thats not my scene. You got to hand it to ccp in regards that they have a game that kinda mirrors some of the seedier traits of our current society, ethically.
on May 06, 2008
You are welcomed to say fuck whenever you want in this game...or can you...?Anyways, I honestly rather be called a Fat, Midget homosexual than get my new battleship, that cost me millions of credits and three weeks of leveling up mining for crap and bounty hunting, blown up.those people at Eve are pussies....can I say that?


Oh, I am so offended by this... I can't handle it... it is so bad that rather than saying "would you plese not use that word" I am going to contact stardock and Ironclad and have you banned from this forum forver and ever!!!!

After all we know we know that Fornicating Under Consent of the King is not something we talk about in proper company and I am not fat! I am weight chalanged!
on May 06, 2008
Wow. That's life.

This is why I was afraid that people could take legal action against me for something posted here and call it libel.

According to the moderators, by the way, I have mental issues. That made me smile.

It sounds like you should get back into the game and seek sweet revenge on that player!
on May 06, 2008
I would have to say EVE Online is a fun game i played back in 2006 and i wanted to renew my subscription for the game but parents wouldn't allow since it requires you to use a credit card or order their time cards for the game. That is sad that you got banned for foul language. When i played that game hell everyone was using curse words all the time but most everyone was from England and were older then like 10 or 13 years old.

Oh, I am so offended by this... I can't handle it... it is so bad that rather than saying "would you plese not use that word" I am going to contact stardock and Ironclad and have you banned from this forum forver and ever!!!!After all we know we know that Fornicating Under Consent of the King is not something we talk about in proper company and I am not fat! I am weight chalanged!


LMAO we have the same problem here just like the person with EVE which makes me laugh. This is why i hate having kids that are mom's child that won't say words that they were told was dark to say and when someone says it they go running to the authority to get that person banned in this case but get them punished for saying words that everyone in the world will say many times in their life.
on May 06, 2008
Since the OP seemed to have no read the EULA, how about we review it, shall we? *If this is not allowed by the Admins here, then feel free to remove this post*

End User License Agreement:

C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct
You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference.

>>>>You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

call a girl fat.


A certain "fat" girl


You called a girl fat, which is violating the RoC, I certainly HOPE I don't need to point out what this falls under in this portion of the RoC...

Also, you do realize that CCP monitors all public chats? Meaning they have a log of all that was discussed in there.

Did you know that you also accepted this RoC when you signed up? Both for a TRIAL account and when you start up the cliant? If you didn't agree with the RoC, then you shouldn't have signed up.
on May 06, 2008
Your baitcanning and flipping and whatever reminds me of good old ganking in the pvp servers in WoW. Never did understand it. I mean if a level 40 character wants to hang out in a level 20 zone, okay, whatever floats your boat. But it seemed like a pointless waste of time to me. At least in WoW you could definitely say the F-word. Calling a girl fat would have almost definately been overlooked unless you are a stalker. Which makes me wonder how far you took it.
on May 06, 2008
Calling a girl fat would have almost definately been overlooked unless you are a stalker. Which makes me wonder how far you took it.


How did he even know she was fat?
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