"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



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on May 06, 2008
maybe you should just learn to control your mouth (and fingers).

it's a skill you'll find helpful later in life.
on May 06, 2008
maybe you should just learn to control your mouth (and fingers).

it's a skill you'll find helpful later in life.


Boo!

That's for CEOs and politicians. Everything else is for gamers.
on May 06, 2008
I actually just started playing EVE recently, and I like it a lot. It is extremely cutthroat, but if you remember that it's a game, then you don't bitch when you're destroyed. I've fallen into several traps, and you know what I say afterwards? Good job. Then I end up talking to the people who took me out.

You know what they say? Thanks for not complaining.

All of these things are part of the game. Are personal attacks? Not really, no. Would I care if you cursed me out or called me fat (not true, coincidentally)? Again, not really, no.

I would also suggest that you must've done something else to really piss people off if so many people worked so hard to get you banned.
on May 06, 2008
I would also suggest that you must've done something else to really piss people off if so many people worked so hard to get you banned.


Nah. Probably not. It sounds like intrigue to me. And people do this kind of thing at the drop of a hat.
on May 07, 2008
Does not sound like a fun game for beginners.
on May 07, 2008
Slydrivel,

There's such a thing as sportsmanship. There's such a thing as not acting like a spoiled three-year-old just because someone handed you your skinny butt on a platter.

You wanna talk trash then go back to Jr. High and puff yourself up with the rest of the hormone-brained wannabes. Those CEOs and politicians own you right now whether you've got the brains to believe it or not. And one of the reasons is that they know how to engage their brains before they open their mouths.

Grow up, little boy!
on May 07, 2008
Slydrivel,

There's such a thing as sportsmanship. There's such a thing as not acting like a spoiled three-year-old just because someone handed you your skinny butt on a platter.

You wanna talk trash then go back to Jr. High and puff yourself up with the rest of the hormone-brained wannabes. Those CEOs and politicians own you right now whether you've got the brains to believe it or not. And one of the reasons is that they know how to engage their brains before they open their mouths.

Grow up, little boy!


I am a CEO in my free-time, not when I am gaming . I play games and come to a forum like this so I can speak my mind wihthout fear of defamation.

It's my short break from reality.

I was actually upset when I feared that some of the posts I've made here might be connected to me in real life.

I have a career and a repuation. Seriously, that would have been bad . I enjoy having people dislike me here. It's the only place I don't have to worry about making people angry.

Here, I can defend evolution. Outside, I would completely agree with whatever religious beliefs the majority held. Here, I can claim to be facist. That would be very self-destructive under ordinary circumstances.
on May 07, 2008
Slydrivel,There's such a thing as sportsmanship. There's such a thing as not acting like a spoiled three-year-old just because someone handed you your skinny butt on a platter.You wanna talk trash then go back to Jr. High and puff yourself up with the rest of the hormone-brained wannabes. Those CEOs and politicians own you right now whether you've got the brains to believe it or not. And one of the reasons is that they know how to engage their brains before they open their mouths.Grow up, little boy!


This post surpasses Ironman in net irony content. You just talked trash to some guy on the internet over talking trash on the internet.
on May 07, 2008
You just talked trash to some guy on the internet over talking trash on the internet.


ROFL. I can't help but applaud how you handed his ass on a platter with such astute observation.

I would also like to point out that he also simply accused SlyDrivel out of nowhere by saying that he talked trash and made it seem valid with all that lecture. Talking trash usually constitute someone taunting or making said defamatory comments and name calling. All SlyDrivel did was making jokes and simple observations. If "boo" was too much for someone, well...erm...

And to the OP, yes, I can understand where you're coming from (and why did so many people not get it?). That's some very hypocritic "policing" the company did.
on May 07, 2008
Oh please,

I haven't even begun to talk trash, nor have I lectured. If Sly can take his little break from reality because he doesn't have the guts to stand up to people in real life, that's cool. I want my break too.

If he called a chick fat, that's certainly talking trash. If he used said fuck that's talking trash. And if he needs the internet to protect him, well he's the one who's dodging "boo."

What companies aren't hypocritical?
on May 07, 2008
That's just it. He didn't call anyone fat, nor did he use the F-word. I checked, double checked and triple checked. As for being a CEO in real life and can't stand up to people in real life, that's depending on point of view. There are a lot of times people can stand up to other people, but that could get you fired, lose a case, or a client; economically and pragmatically, sometimes it literally pays not to stand up to people, and if you make a million buck out of kissing ass...well...I'm not sure if I would do it but more power to you. As for Internet protection, we're all under its protection. And you're absolutely right, most companies are hypocritical (I still believe one out of a billion or trillion or double trillion in the world isn't )

So, yes, please, you just flat out accused him something of which he had not done (saying fat or fuck. He didn't even so much as say he says it).

ps. Now the OP did do such things, so accuse all you want (though I don't mind OP doing it either).
on May 07, 2008

Kastronida


Since the OP seemed to have no read the EULA, how about we review it, shall we? *If this is not allowed by the Admins here, then feel free to remove this post*End User License Agreement:C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference. >>>>You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) call a girl fat. A certain "fat" girlYou called a girl fat, which is violating the RoC, I certainly HOPE I don't need to point out what this falls under in this portion of the RoC...Also, you do realize that CCP monitors all public chats? Meaning they have a log of all that was discussed in there.Did you know that you also accepted this RoC when you signed up? Both for a TRIAL account and when you start up the cliant? If you didn't agree with the RoC, then you shouldn't have signed up.

 

Obviously another fat girl.

 

Im no a stalker, just a shit talker.  And a poet and dont know it, apparently.

 

Lets see if I get banned from here now...

on May 07, 2008
Obviously another fat girl.



Im no a stalker, just a shit talker. And a poet and dont know it, apparently.



Lets see if I get banned from here now...


No, you won't get banned from here.

You aren't a shit talker, you're just a sexist who thinks he can act like an asshole on the net and not get to face the consequences of it.

Posting about this on other forums and being proud of your little act doesn't make you a hero oppressed by political correctness.

It just makes you an ass, nothing more.
on May 07, 2008
You aren't a shit talker, you're just a sexist who thinks he can act like an asshole on the net and not get to face the consequences of it.

Posting about this on other forums and being proud of your little act doesn't make you a hero oppressed by political correctness.

It just makes you an ass, nothing more.


QFT.
on May 07, 2008
People get banned for no reason, people even get banned because they're do-gooders. It's the way life is... one good turn deserves another right?
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