"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



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on May 07, 2008
My god, what a kindergarten.If someone gets you banned somewhere, either take it as a man, or fight back accordingly. Going to a totally unrelated third party forum to cry about how bad you've been treated just makes you look like a loser. Bah.


He did, and never got an answer. So like learn to read.
on May 07, 2008
He did, and never got an answer. So like learn to read.


So you stop fighting too when your first bullet fails, and run to a totally unrelated group to cry about it?

Accept it, that guy isn't made for Eve. Running off crying and pointing fingers won't help you in the real world, and it will help you *much*, much less in Eve.
on May 07, 2008
no u
on May 07, 2008
WELL WELL WELL... LOL

mate get a grip its a game for a start, all be it a very deep game.

i have been playing eve for a long time and have seen and done things ingame that most eve players won't ever get to !

i live in 0.0 space and its all happening there, no concord to save you , im talking cap ships that will insta pop your best battle ship, titans that will DDD your whole fleet of 100 battleships and kill you all just like that then cyno out with a fat smile on his face while his gang loot whore your wrecks, im talking about knocking around with the biggest and baddest alliances in the game.

in real life if some one talks to you like that or attcks you in that manner then your not gonna stand for it..... simple !

EVE is much more than just a game ! its a reflection on real life set in space meny years from now. and if you can't take it then well... i don't need to say no more.

what i will say to all you guys out there that are allready or may be thinking of playing eve its a commitment and a very very complex and deep so called game like no other out there. well worth getting in to and tbh some may say you can learn alot from it about some aspects of real life .

as for the guy who started all this . . . mate get a grip and grow up , if you got a problem then take it to the eve forums , allso ask for a senoir gm to handel your case !!!

allso i know that or should i say im sure that the ccp gm's would not of just banned you just on the back of what some other people say! they have evey chat log/game log every bit of info they need at a click of a botton... so you must of said or done more than your telling us here and what ever that may have been if you got banned you were more than likely in the wrong... and if not then you have learned a lession, just be thankfull that you was a noob toon your self and not a vet eve player .

btw i agree with ZAMIEL7 ... comments above .

to sum up and end this : EVE IS U B E R
on May 07, 2008
star I was going to post something in relation to the game since your curious but I dont want to start any grief so all I would say is try and find out from people who are playing in high sec because you are going to be doing that a while , month and months , also if you lose your ship you can lose millions on parts lost and if you forget to insure you can lose your ship, also if you forget to clone and have a skill thats taken you months or more then you lose that skill and have to reskill it.

Definatly get the trial and hopefully its one where you dont have to commit a credit card becuse eve you either love or hate. I actually believe it or not like the game in a way but what I dont like is the sheer lack of game content diversity while skilling which at the end of the day most of your time for a long long time is spent repeating the same missions over and over making money while you wait days , months and weeks per skill( in regards to learning skills , the most optimum route is to go all learning skills first so you save most time longterm, what this means if you wanted to go that route you would not have in game skills and not be really able to play the game for 4 months approx)

I dont rate eve as a bad game its just not my idea of fun even though I played it for a good while and like someone says you eventually get skills for low sec and find out the servers dont handle the fleet battles to well. I am not the best person to judge MMOS atm since I used to love them all, then its like I noticed this pattern in them all where it was all just about grinding on the pretence of good content only to find when you get there its really sub par, I think its good for companies bad for the consumer because all that money in fees goes in and very little content gets added(Glorified patches half the time - get an expansion maybe once per 3 years thats alot of money for an expansion even on an individual basis but at least eve gives expansions for free but its even crazier when you think most MMOS you have to pay for the expansion as well) if you consider the money invested through fees well I think its a bad deal and whether you like guild wars or not they have proved what I knew all along that if a MMO was succesful enough the sales in good content pays for everything.(sure GW is kinda shortlived but at least the way it works is : Company makes something, I research product, if product gets bad review I dont buy + have not wasted hundreds of pounds on fees waiting on a product that could be potentially all hype)

Also the eve online character accounts is a joke, you have 2 character slots but only 1 character can train a skill at a time so that second slot is pretty useless, if you want another character slot equiv to what wow gives for free you must pay double fees.

Just to finally say in regards to the person who got banned , you should speak to an admin in a polite manner and they may help you out? I know you probably just wanted someone to ask about it but asking on another community well its kinda futile



on May 07, 2008
I have to agree with Katman, although of course without the comments that make me want to compare you to the gamer guy in "make love not warcraft." just kidding.

the fact is life in EVE is tough. DEAL WITH IT. at least in EVE u can just STOP PLAYING. if this is how u behave in real life, i pity your freinds and all who know you. so u got banned big whoop. instead of complaining here, which i oddly have no problem with. keep petioning. if you have to call customer support, or somehting along those lines. act mature for godsakes.

and also leave Kastronida alone, he may be whinny, sorry Kastronida, but at least he knows what hes talking about and is willing to say it. whether or not you agree with it HE IS RIGHT, you break the rules. it may sound lame "but if you cant do the time, dont do the crime."
on May 07, 2008
Zamiel7
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Look, since there seems to be an apparent lack of maturity going on here right now (regardless of your chronological/intellectual age) let me just say something. First of all, I have been playing EVE for just about one year now and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I will also say that not once in my entire EVE career have I ever been victimized by any of these occurences nor do I know anyone that has. This is primarily because most of these traps are entirely avoidable if you have even the slightest bit of common sense and know-how, which even a noob can possess should they try. As for those that are not entirely avoidable, like gate camps for instance, they can be circumvented and I have done so on a myriad of occasions. As for more veteran players taking advantage of new players by destroying their new ships with other worthless ones, that is by no means a regular occurence in high security space, if only because most veteran players could care less and those that would try it often are unable to get the kill before being obliterated by Concord (police) which acts instantaneously. Besides, players can insure their ships so they don't lose as much money, which is what any intelligent person would do anyway.As for your getting banned for what you deemed an unsuitable reason in lieu of other more supposedly "vile" practices, please allow me to inform you of a little fact of life. By downloading and playing the game you are in fact required to play by the rules outlined. If you don't like or find them unfair, you don't have to play the game, no one's forcing you. If you want to play the game but don't like the rules, well tough luck, suck it up or get out. Coincidentally, that's how the real world operates as well, who'd have thought?In closing, please allow me to say that while internet forums are an excellent medium for channeling your frustration at life, please be considerate of other people who by virtue of not having lives (I jest of course) are forced into reading your misleading and misdirected tyraid.

Well, since you never saw it, guess it must not be true huh?  Lemme ask you something.  Have you ever seen the continent of Antarctica?  No?  Guess it doesn't exist then.  Logic is fun.
Your claims of "common sense" mean nothing in Eve.  I spend all my time in the game in the newbie channels and noobie area, and the same circumstances happen day in and day out, nonstop.  What you fail to see, with your one year old blinders on, is that your current position the game is overshadowing your own experience when you were new.  You are more than likely in low sec space the vast majority of the time.  I highly doubt that you came into the game with the foreknowledge of greifer tactics, insurance, and even how to fit your ship.  And trust me, I see (or saw) the affliction I coin "veteran's disease" every day.  You claim may be true, but it is most definitely an exception, and not the rule. 
In fact, I suspect you of being one of those people in Eve who tries to get new players into the game by painting the picture of Eve being such a warm and fuzzy game, then getting on TeamSpeak to call your buddies into Nalvula.  But... something like that would never happen in Eve, right?
I'm fully aware of the EULA and its implications.  I never said my banning was unsuitable, merely ironic.  You know, because everyone follows every rule in the EULA every day, even the Devs, right?
 


You bring up a good point in terms of the fact that I don't necessarily see all that goes on, I'll give you that. However, you are wrong in the fact that I try to paint of picture of EVE that is not accurate. It is a cut throat game and it does have a very high learning curve and as such I understand full well that less scrupulous players may take advantage of the new. Yet I feel this is still not what I would call a common occurence and you yourself admit that you spent most of the time in the noobie channels where complaints and questions are essentially the only topics covered. In that sense your field of vision is narrowed as well. Forgive if I sounded condescending, my intention was to insure that people who are unfamilar with the game didn't get the wrong idea from your generalization.

Honestly, I don't agree with why you were banned, I think it is an over reaction and down right silly. I just think the picture you paint of the game as a result of your frustration is unfair and the game deserves better.
on May 07, 2008
I have to agree with Katman, although of course without the comments that make me want to compare you to the gamer guy in "make love not warcraft." just kidding. the fact is life in EVE is tough. DEAL WITH IT. at least in EVE u can just STOP PLAYING. if this is how u behave in real life, i pity your freinds and all who know you. so u got banned big whoop. instead of complaining here, which i oddly have no problem with. keep petioning. if you have to call customer support, or somehting along those lines. act mature for godsakes.and also leave Kastronida alone, he may be whinny, sorry Kastronida, but at least he knows what hes talking about and is willing to say it. whether or not you agree with it HE IS RIGHT, you break the rules. it may sound lame "but if you cant do the time, dont do the crime."


Rofl. He did quit. Only forcefully.
on May 08, 2008

I've played Eve twice.  I was part of the beta before it released (and released early, I might add - they supressed the bug pop up window so no one would immediately know they were there).  Those were some good times.

 

A couple of the first pirates, Stavr0s and Ys set the tone for piracy.  Back then Concord didn't exist, so they were popping players as they entered the game for the first time.  Some GM tried to come in game with some badass ship to control the situatiuon, and they pod killed him...lol.

 

Back then you could find high level asteroids in relatively high sec space (certainly higher than 0.0)  So much has changed.

 

The corp I was in fell prey to internal piracy.  We were one of the first with an Apocalypse BP and mined like crazy every night to crank them out.  This dude in the corp took everything we had worked for.  Back then, there was very little control over the corp hangars, so it was way easier to get robbed from the inside.  Wow did that suck!   Were I to renew my account, I still have my Apoc (which is largely useless since I haven't been training all this time, and my mods are hopelessly outdated.  When I renewed the first time, I had no idea where I had last logged out.  I was deep in 0.0 with the Apoc and had to work my way back to high sec with no mods to speak of.  That was an intense trip, but I made it!

 

The problem with Eve is that it's a pretty boring game in high sec space, and subterfuge is so bad that getting into an established corp where you'd have some high end support is tough - or at least it was.  Maybe it's better now.  To make the problem worse, people that have played the whole time are so far above you in training, that catching up to even be slightly competitive in a fight would take a year at least of playing the boring high sec game.  You can't speed your training any (like by playing more often) so catching up is not in your immediate control.

 

It can be a really fun game, but if you're just starting, don't plan on being in the thick of it any time soon.

 

Oh...I worked for the events team for a while (which was a joke and another topic) but as such, I had access to all the other teams as well.  No one got banned for calling someone fat or saying "fuck."  I agree with the others that said something else must have happened.

on May 08, 2008
Sorry to hear that. Terrible thing, these sensitivity treatments. You see while experience gamer can shrug it off, hell even get a smile on their face when they get a rise out of someone over the internet, most people just can't handle it. Some will quit, which leads to loss of revenue, and these games being businesses cannot allow that!

I think if I ever ran a MMO, I would turn it into a nonprofit, so I can allow greater freedom hehehe.
on May 08, 2008
Really good honest post OckhamsRazor and to answer your question no it hasnt changed in the way you ask about. You bring up some really good points, it is boring as a newbie from months to a year because they are stuck in high sec, well the majority are unless you have a low sec friend in a high corp position who is willing to babysit you all the time. Also I concur that knowone ever got banned for swearing, the only way I can see it happening is for consistantly swearing in newbie chat when a GM is on then swearing at the GM, even at that I think they just ban the user from the newbie help chat?
on May 08, 2008
No edit button but like people say you should speak to the folk at eve, it is kinda strange and its no wander people maybe think theres more to it. You see I run a guild in an MMO, On TS I explained to guildies that I wasnt into people buying in game money for RL cash because it inflates the ecconomy for all, now this person got banned 1 week later and he said it was for botting. Now heres the thing I was on every time this guy was on so I knew he wasnt botting, so I emailed the company in his defense, next once I had done this he admits to me he was buying in game money for RL cash. (Its because of lies like this that people find it hard to take what people say at face value on the web because where eve is concerned and the fact CCP openly say they want a ruthless aspect to it well it seems kinda weird they would take the moral highground with bad language when its perfectly lega in eve to steal everything a player has on their account)
on May 08, 2008
If you got banned from eve for that, more than likely, it wasnt your first offence. They tend to issue warnings before the ban. So whatever you did, it had to have been pretty bad or repetitive. Death threats, posting porn links, isk selling/buying, and racial slurs get ya banned quick. Also, the average age of an eve player is alot higher than any other MMO because you cant simply hop in and smashy smashy stuff, you actually have to work at it.
on May 09, 2008
I call bullshit. CCP doesn't ban people for using colourful language. I suspect that on viewing the chat logs, the GMs decided that the OP was such a worthless piece of crap that they didn't want him in their game world. It's their call.

on May 09, 2008
LOL @ OP...

Trash talk not worth it anymore? Just not feeling it? Even if it's rather cheap and unsportsmanlike? Perhaps you would get more out of the game by playing with the goal of contributing, rather than detracting? The world is full of trash talkers...

SHUT-UP AND PLAY... nuff said.
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