"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



Comments (Page 6)
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on Jun 19, 2008
I like the fact that ppl wait for noobs to just walk outta wormhole or that secure space thing, only to find out "omgz it's a battleship! JUMP JUMP NOW"
on Jun 23, 2008
well I am glad I didnt join eve. sounds like it sucks for noobs ( 1 year to master f-that ) I have better things to do . Interesting premise but not my cup of tea .
on Jun 24, 2008
I feel ya mate...
But that's strange considering I've seen some pretty raunchy, racist and foul bios in that game...and these are from some of the Top 100 players in EVE. Theyre still there.
Plus, with this being possibly the most monotonous RPG ever to exist in the history of mankind, you would expect GMs to have gone nuts sooner. I dunno, maybe the GM who banned you was bored since he had already trashed some noobz out in .1 security zones and arranged all 3 of his mining bot alts already and was bored.
on Jun 24, 2008
EVE is an interesting game, but it has major problems.

1. The people online. Experienced people just sit and wait for noobs to leave secure space, and then blast them to pieces. People also know the boundaries or what "exploits" are and what aren't, and they tread the line very carefully. But they do, and they make life miserable for many players.

2. The in-game society. Players who have power will stay on top. People who dont will stay at the bottom, and get their faces rubbed in the dirt by the powerful players. The corporations are also rather stupid. When you join, the corporation leader has total control over you. I don't understand why the corporations are like this. I also don't understand why EVE has to be like real life, but in space. Why can't the players just have fun and shoot stuff, rather than having to play the virtual stock market?

3. CCP Games itself. Basically, they are a bunch of corrupt bastards who make life happy and miserable to whoever they damn well please. They affect the balance of power unfairly. For example, one of the CCP guys gave important blueprints of a whole new ship design to one corporation to help them stay in power. Well, another player revealed what that dev had done to the whole EVE universe, and CCP banned that player, not the dev, to cover it up. Also, the rules they make are really stupid. You can blow up what players have worked months for, but you can't call them names? Wow.....


If EVE would fix these problems, then EVE would be better. A lot better.


Etrius
on Jun 24, 2008
1. Then dont leave secure space. There are plenty of possibilities to sell/buy/trade/kill without ever leaving that area.
Most of the time when you get killed when tried to leave secure space is of 2 reasons. Pirats hoping to get a good kill and earn alot of isk. The other is corporations trying to keep there space secure.

2.
When you join, the corporation leader has total control over you.
thats not true. Most corps lets you do what ever you want. They just have rules to keep everything in order. If you do sign up for a corp, you should also be willing to do something for that corp.
If you have a total different point of view how a corp should be run, then why not start your own?

Why can't the players just have fun and shoot stuff, rather than having to play the virtual stock market?
You can just shoot what ever you want and have fun. Just that shooting have a risk to it. If its the fear of losing your ship, why not do some missions? they give alot of cash when you get further like level 4 missions.

3. I read that in a PC magazine some years back. I hope its not true as that's totally unfair and its cheating.

Things change alot in EVE. I wont say anyone is more powerful then the other alliance. Goonfleet even proved that with the lack of skills but to arrive in numbers have been a success
on Jun 24, 2008
I think that whoever wants to play Eve shouldn't complain about the system that they're in - noone forced them to be there, and there are plenty other games to choose from.
on Jun 24, 2008
3. I read that in a PC magazine some years back. I hope its not true as that's totally unfair and its cheating.


It is true. There are a ton of sources on this event. Just go to EVE and ask a person that has played for a long time. Of course, don't ask a GM or CCP. They will deny it. That event truely shows CCP's corruption.    
on Jun 24, 2008
You can blow up what players have worked months for, but you can't call them names?
Probably to make the game allowed in the US...

"Violence" ok -- language not ok.




on Jun 24, 2008
"Violence" ok -- language not ok.


Crysis, like so many other games, was rated M for language when it should have been rated T. I don't get why people in the U.S. don't like bad language. It's fun, and can spice up your f^cking damn sentences.  


Etrius
on Jul 14, 2008
I discovered Eve from the post on this forum did the trial and have now joined. I find it to be a rather fascinating game that allows me to develop and to flesh out an alter ego in a fantasy universe.

I find the escapism wonderful and the fact that it will have something new for me to tinker with for over a year is in my eyes a plus.

I can develop a really fascinating character with a life of its own and have it to enjoy whenever I wish. Granted the game is not for people who want instant gratification. For those people I would recommend they play something like command and conquer.

The only change I would make is to allow people to e able to ultimately command several ships simultaneously. An android fleet if you will.
on Jul 28, 2008
Shouldn't have called her fat, that becomes a personal attack..

Sorry but what comes in mind is "NOOOOB you don't know how to handle agreesion flag !!!"

Eve is a adult game, but adults who plays it behaves like childs... Usually smacktalkers don't get banned if they say "fat girl" to a fat girl, come on. Didn't you say "go play Eve on the railway" or "kill yourself irl" ???

Else a lmot of * words are used everyday n this game, esp personal attacks.

btw, if you made a thread on CAOD about it, I see what you did there.

on Jul 28, 2008
EVE is an interesting game, but it has major problems.1. The people online. Experienced people just sit and wait for noobs to leave secure space, and then blast them to pieces. People also know the boundaries or what "exploits" are and what aren't, and they tread the line very carefully. But they do, and they make life miserable for many players.

0.0 is really different of low-sec or empire. There are strategic rules, like how you prepare your ship, if you have to be alone or not (alone = scoutship (cheap fregate) or coverops, no matter what), if you want to 1v1 and 1v1 vs what kind of ship, etc. It's hardcore-eve, there :/ Just prepare yourself for this and it would be funnier than low-sec or empire. Don't go in 0.0 just to mine alone, for exemple. You have to prepare your logistics, military escorts AND (most important) diplomatic/political problems with the locals.


2. The in-game society. Players who have power will stay on top. People who dont will stay at the bottom, and get their faces rubbed in the dirt by the powerful players. The corporations are also rather stupid. When you join, the corporation leader has total control over you. I don't understand why the corporations are like this. I also don't understand why EVE has to be like real life, but in space. Why can't the players just have fun and shoot stuff, rather than having to play the virtual stock market?

I was part of RSF until last week (Tau Ceti federation) and we made ourselves what we are now. Against BoB, which were the most powerfull military opponent in the game : you are simply not true !

3. CCP Games itself. Basically, they are a bunch of corrupt bastards who make life happy and miserable to whoever they damn well please. They affect the balance of power unfairly. For example, one of the CCP guys gave important blueprints of a whole new ship design to one corporation to help them stay in power. Well, another player revealed what that dev had done to the whole EVE universe, and CCP banned that player, not the dev, to cover it up. Also, the rules they make are really stupid. You can blow up what players have worked months for, but you can't call them names? Wow.....If EVE would fix these problems, then EVE would be better. A lot better.Etrius

CCP have a normal and direct dialogue with their players. This problem is more or less 2 years old. I was shoked atm but it's history now, don't you think ?

You forgot the #1 golden rule : DON'T FLY A SHIP YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOOSE !! A T1 ship / T1 equipement is reimbursed at 80% at least, 100% if you crafted it. A bough T2/T2 is 20%.
on Jul 29, 2008
Sort of reminds me of Yahoo Answers were I recently got my account banned. I’m not sure which answer it was but I bet it is one of two.

One was some woman who used her full character allowance plus two full extra sections to describe why she suspects her husband was lying to her and how upset she was. Basically it came down to this. She went out, hubby had a wank and left the box of tissues by the computer. Then denied looking at porn when she went off on one at him. She was asking if she should take her newborn child and herself to live with her parents to get away from this.

My answer was that she was a bunny boiling lunatic who even if she did successfully choke ever last drop of masculinity from this poor guy he would only have a mid life crisis and an affair so maybe she ought to take a damn chill pill now.

The other one was someone lost their XP disk and wanted to know what to do. I said borrow one of your mate to install and then use your own license number which he still had. Someone then answered after me that he must buy a new copy from Microsoft and that he was reported me for a breach of yahoo answers terms by advocating piracy.

Either way I deicide that I was better off without that time-sink.

Sound like your be better off without Eve too.

Now if only we could get the time-sink message out to the WoW players!
on Jul 29, 2008
MMOs are just the worst case of computer entertainment, and EVE is the bottom of it.
So be glad to be banned... giving money to CCP is like standing under the shower with you best dress and and cutting 100$ notes with scissors down the drain, hehe
on Jul 31, 2008
I said borrow one of your mate to install and then use your own license number which he still had. Someone then answered after me that he must buy a new copy from Microsoft and that he was reported me for a breach of yahoo answers terms by advocating piracy.


I don't envy you. To be banned for "advocating piracy" because some idiot didn't know the licence conditions must be frustrating...
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