"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



Comments (Page 5)
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on May 09, 2008
It's always best to act with dignity, even when you're being griefed.

I've been around for over 3 years in EVE, I've been attacked, I've been ganked many times over the course of the game, but only in low sec and 0.0 space. It's annoying, but it does add some spice to the game (though I myself do not condone suicide ganks) but there are always remedies even for the worst acts, it most is just being aware.

With the bad is also the good, there are many honourable players, corps and alliances in that game.

Pity you didn't see it.
on May 09, 2008
Ok, sorry you got banned and all, but you just really made me want to try Eve based on what you said about it.
on May 09, 2008

I quit EVE myself when I found out how much CCCP employees were interfering with the game.  As the OP says, all kinds of dirty tricks are par for the course, and if idiots get ripped off nobody is going to 'reset' it, which gives the game it's unique flavour.  However, when CCCP is fucking around and slanting the playing field toward their corps, that ruins the good clean scamming.

on May 09, 2008
Sorry but their house, their rules.

Clearly when you signed on for the account it stated in the conditions that abusive language would not be tolerated.

You broke that condition and got unlucky because you where reported, tough break but your own fault.

Also how did you know the girl was fat?
on May 09, 2008

OckhamsRazor
I've played Eve twice.  I was part of the beta before it released (and released early, I might add - they supressed the bug pop up window so no one would immediately know they were there).  Those were some good times. A couple of the first pirates, Stavr0s and Ys set the tone for piracy.  Back then Concord didn't exist, so they were popping players as they entered the game for the first time.

Yep i remember Arkonor in Semeski or someplace, can't remember the name exactly, it was a .4 system anyways. Within a few days i had a Moa BPO, i remember thinking they needed to slow mining down a little, as we'd have battleships in no time otherwise. I was in TTI (Taggart Transdimentional) whom at the time were the corp everyone loved to shoot, mostly because we signed a NAP with m0o (Stavr0s and co). I think the systems they camped were Pasari and Mara? Can't remember exact spelling, was so long ago! .

It's funny you mention the Apoc, because the entire agreement with m0o and TTI came about because we had just obtained an Apoc BPO and they had just got the Dominix BPO so we agreed to trade ships or something along those lines.

Anyways the NAP didn't last that long, before one battleship was traded. It was a bad move on our part, we probably only gained a minor amount of income from free movement in empire while on the other hand we were labled as pirate lubers (which at the time was kinda like being likend to a nazi in eve, they were hated that much) and it stuck with TTI until it's collapse and became a shadow of its former self.

on May 09, 2008
Only a sycophants would get a kick out of rubbing a EULA in someone's face, boy.


Personal attacks aside, I must say that it's hardly sycophantic to comment on the fact that you played a game and violated the EULA, and then criticize the game for it. Granted, it may not have been much to cause the ban, and I happen to agree with your post, but this general statement is erroneuous (unless of course you were simply being provocative )
on May 09, 2008
I had 2 accounts on Eve, sold em both for $350 bucks each on ebay...that is before ebay yanked my listings for copyright violations, but hey, it worked and then after they pulled my auctions to late and sent me a notice about it the accounts had already been paypal'd and ebay refunded my listing fee's.

after reading this...I'm glad I did Eve was boring to me same vanilla missions just different versions.

AoC is gonna be out soon thats my next MMO
on May 11, 2008
Here's my take on this...EVE is not a game that requires you to play nice. However, it does require you to ACT nice. Is that such a problem? You're free to exert your displeasure by wiping their noobish @$$es off the face of existance, but really, personal attacks accomplish little and solve nothing.
on May 15, 2008


I can claim to be facist. That would be very self-destructive under ordinary circumstances.

thats self destructive under any circumstances and man you guys are lucky at least you guys can play eve online. my dad wont let me.

on May 16, 2008
Well, now I think i am hooked on the idea of EVE. I think i shall give it a whirl...

For the Unity!
on May 19, 2008

SpacePony-

It's not that you're fat or Weight Challenged - you just have a thyroid infection.

And on the little argument we have down here, MADJOSEPH is right about what you say, or type, on the Internet. You should learn to control what you say. that doesn't change my opinion, though. i think those people at Eve overeacted (unless you consistantly insulted persons to a certain degree). And, honestly, I believe you, MADJOSEPH, are overeacting a bit. the thing Slydrivel said:

Boo!That's for CEOs and politicians. Everything else is for gamers.


Was meant to be a joke, i'm sure, and also the thing StanlyManly said on Eve. People should not take serious offense to small insults like that unless it is a long string of insults aimed at a specific person every time. You should not get steamed at Slydrivel just because he made a stupid comment.
on May 19, 2008
SpacePony-It's not that you're fat or Weight Challenged - you just have a thyroid infection.


I had a WoW arena team made up with prot warriors aptly named "Fat Chicks on the Dance Floor". The name didn't fit to well so I had to kill the spaces "Fatchicksonthedancefloor"

All I have to say to GM's who ban names like mine is:

The whole room feel silent
The girls all pasued wit glee
Turned left, turned right
All they lookin at me
But I was lookin at them
There, there on the dance floor
Now they got me in the middle
Feelin like a man whore
Speacialy the big girl
Big girls need love too
No discrimation dis world
So keep ur hands off my cheeks
Let me study how u ride the beat(Ya big freak)
Skinny slim women get the chemical within them
You can hump them, lift them , bend em, give them something to remember
Heldout timber when u fall through to chopshop
Take a deep breath exhale
Your exhale friend boyfriend was borin as hell
But let me listen to the story u tell and
We can make moves like a person in jail(on the low)


on May 22, 2008
You posted on General Discussion about that before, didn't you? It sucks you got banned on foul language, but thats about the only thing short of threatening to kill the Devs or other players that'll do it. At least Sins will fill all that time you'd otherwise be mining.
on May 22, 2008
my bad about the first post- i did not look at the part where it said "3 pages"- my bad
on Jun 09, 2008
EVE is a giant sandbox and it is full of cat turds. Once you accept that as a given, learn how to avoid stepping in said turds or leaving turds of your own for others to step in.

if you got the ban stick, which is pretty hard to do and I played 3 years as Futher Bezluden (2 years in Molden Heath) listening to smacktards and being a smacktard   with lots of pirates/griefers and we never got banned -gagged sure but not banned...

if you got banned, you really earned it m8.

btw, I left eve, so if any EVE players here convo that character, it ain't me.
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