"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A lesson in irony...
Published on May 6, 2008 By StanlyManly In PC Gaming

I saw a link for a 21 day trial to Eve, and decided that was too good to pass up.  I've subbed to the game before a couple times, and although it got boring after a while, its still not bad to play for a month or two at a time.

Just in case anyone isn't familiar with Eve.  Its a ruthless sandbox space MMO, filled with piracy, player politics on a level you may not believe, espionage, treachery, deceit, profiteering, and any other despicable act a human being is capable of in a freeform MMO with player "owned" space and economy, as well as unconsentual PvP.


I'll breifly describe a few of the daily occurances in the game.  First up, Suicide Ganking.  You and some of your buddies equip "throw away" ships and blow some noob's brand new and expensive craft up, before the police can kill you.  Then we have the ever popular Baitcanning (or is it Canbaiting?).  Jettison some piece of expensive cargo into space, rename the container to "Free stuff!!" and wait in your battlship of death for some noob to grab it.  Soon as they do, you are allowed to blast them into dust.  Then there is the ever popular, Can Flipping.  Go around in your small and weak looking ship, stealing the cargo of noobs, hoping they in turn, will try to blast you into dust.  As soon as they do, you zip away back to a spacestation and hop into your battleship of death, return, and blast the noob into dust instead.  And lastly that I'll mention, is Gate Camping.  Certain star systems in the game are bottlenecks between "carebear" high security space, and open pvp, low security space.  Good luck getting into these systems though, as there are nearly always groups of players that do nothing but sit at these systems day in and day out, waiting for noobies to venture out.  As soon as their heads poke through, a cruise missile in the face is there to greet them.

So, holding people ransom for millions of dollars, threatening to blow up their ships/and or escape pods, tricking players into joining a corp (guild) that has had war declared on it by another corp, getting different characters into other corps for the sole purpose of blowing up your own fleet with smartbombs, and any other such act in Eve is perfectly acceptable, and is in fact, encouraged.  Its what makes Eve, Eve.  In fact the Dev's themselves have often gotten into the act.  There is a plethora of articles out there about how the CCP Dev's have "stirred the pot" of their own game. 


But... what you can't do in Eve, apparently, is say the F word, or call a girl fat.  Because in Eve, you know, that game I was just describing up there, the Dev's care about the sensitivity of their players.  Curse words and derogatory statements go against the spirit of an otherwise clean and friendly game. Some players feel that even though they can mute you in chat, the game would be much better off without someone saying adult words, or poking fun at others.  So, in order to protect all the innocent children that play Eve, certain players rallied together to petition me enough to get me permantly banned.  In game currency was even exchanged.  A certain "fat" girl paid handsomely to those who sent in petitions.  I found this out when I started a new trial account.  A couple of the people involved in the banning were so excited, they couldn't help but brag about it.  And again, that type of behavior is perfectly acceptable in Eve.


I actually wanted to continue to play the game, too.  I had planned on renewing my subscription as soon as the trial was over.  I'm basically waving my consumer dollars around in a sultry "take me now, im so hot" kind of way.  I've petitioned the GM's twice now (as many times as is allowed), and after 5 days, my petition status is still open.  It took less than 15 minutes to get banned, however.  So the message is clear.  They don't want me in Eve.  I guess my foul mouth and I are just too offensive for that upstanding and mature group of cheaters, pirates, market fixers, spies, liars, extortionists, backstabbers and egomaniacs.



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on May 07, 2008
Oh please,I haven't even begun to talk trash, nor have I lectured. If Sly can take his little break from reality because he doesn't have the guts to stand up to people in real life, that's cool. I want my break too.If he called a chick fat, that's certainly talking trash. If he used said fuck that's talking trash. And if he needs the internet to protect him, well he's the one who's dodging "boo."What companies aren't hypocritical?


Awww..I bet you're a fat ugly chick. Stop bitching.
on May 07, 2008
I actually just started playing EVE recently, and I like it a lot. It is extremely cutthroat, but if you remember that it's a game, then you don't bitch when you're destroyed. I've fallen into several traps, and you know what I say afterwards? Good job. Then I end up talking to the people who took me out.


Yeah I lost a drake once to a guy and went on TS. Thankfully the guy was pretty nice and told me where I went wrong in my build and gave me a corp invite. Its good you are enjoying the game . It is good in its own way if you can accept its in no way shape or form a long term PVE game. I can understand why the game has a following but I think I have went off MMOS now in general.
on May 07, 2008
I don't get it mate, i used to play Eve for about 4 years infact.

I don't understand how they banned you cbecause you used the F word? You must have spammed it continually for a month or something along those lines. Or something really serious because the most you get for swearing repeatdly and insulting someone is a 'Gag', which means you can't talk in local for a bit (or permenantley if your a repeat offender).

The rules may have changed recently, but if that isn't the case i can only assume you've done more than just say 'Feck off ya wee C**T' in local to get banned. If this isn't the case then i apologise and sorry they banned you.
on May 07, 2008
Scott the last time I played which was only a few months back (I reactivated an old account) the way it worked was you couldnt cuss and swear in the newbie help channel, you know the one that gets moderated regulary(Actually you will 100% know about this channel but is for benefit of others reading )

As for swearing in local etc, I seen much swearing and crazy behaviour but just stayed out of it, but at least when I used to play they didnt bother about swearing. Im even thinking maybe if the swearing is racial in nature then perhaps they would ban but even at that I have seen corp sites with links on the official eve forums that are blatently based on some of the seedier real life events(Not going into what since dont want to bring that rubbish into this community) so if that doesnt get banned or even mod warnings Im surprised the would ban someone for swearing. I guess it all depends who handles the complaint? I dont know whats happened though to be honest? Im at a loss hehe
on May 07, 2008
You probably just got a few days ban. 3-4. It's what they hand out so it's a real joke. I never heard of any permanent bans, and why would they they want people to keep playing. Your just unlucky to have to someone report you bad mouthing them. I got bad mouthed lost of time but never reported i just don't core but that person did.
on May 07, 2008

Ah yeah, i guess if ur abusive in the newbie channel they might be some what less leanient, but yeah i think Eadtaes is right - perhaps it is just a tempoary ban.

 

Ultimatley eve rocks, but at the high end it fails because the game cannot support 800 people in one system blowing the crap out of each other, yet the end game is specifically designed for that.

It's a wonderful notion for a game and one day it may actually work, until then i'm gonna try my hand at other stuff.

on May 07, 2008
You probably just got a few days ban. 3-4. It's what they hand out so it's a real joke. I never heard of any permanent bans, and why would they they want people to keep playing.


You ever heard of Kugutsumen?

Hint: he had something to do with a very famous dev incident.
on May 07, 2008


 
Obviously another fat girl.
 
Im no a stalker, just a shit talker.  And a poet and dont know it, apparently.
 
Lets see if I get banned from here now...


Fat? Me? I'm male kid, and quite skinny for your information

In fact, I've often been called a shrimp.

However, in all seriousness, your actions did break the rules I listed from the End User License Agreement you signed. You have ONLY yourself to blame.
on May 07, 2008

Kastronida


 Obviously another fat girl. Im no a stalker, just a shit talker.  And a poet and dont know it, apparently. Lets see if I get banned from here now...Fat? Me? I'm male kid, and quite skinny for your information In fact, I've often been called a shrimp.However, in all seriousness, your actions did break the rules I listed from the End User License Agreement you signed. You have ONLY yourself to blame.

So just a fingerpointer.  I love how you use the term "kid", as if it somehow gives you superiority.  I can play that game, too.

Only a sycophants would get a kick out of rubbing a EULA in someone's face, boy. 

 

And, yes, I'm obviously an asshole, a sexist, a bigot, or whatever else you want to call me.  I figured I'd fit right into Eve.  You know, the game where there are pirates, brothels, slaves, and whatever else is deemed "offensive".  Heck, in the beginner mission, the NPC's swear at you, and talk trash to you. 

Not trying to pass myself off as innocent by any means.  I'm definitely a button pushing trash talker.  But thats not any worse than these self righteous tattletales who get a big smile across their face by ruining anothers fun in n eir own way.

on May 07, 2008
Look, since there seems to be an apparent lack of maturity going on here right now (regardless of your chronological/intellectual age) let me just say something. First of all, I have been playing EVE for just about one year now and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I will also say that not once in my entire EVE career have I ever been victimized by any of these occurences nor do I know anyone that has. This is primarily because most of these traps are entirely avoidable if you have even the slightest bit of common sense and know-how, which even a noob can possess should they try. As for those that are not entirely avoidable, like gate camps for instance, they can be circumvented and I have done so on a myriad of occasions. As for more veteran players taking advantage of new players by destroying their new ships with other worthless ones, that is by no means a regular occurence in high security space, if only because most veteran players could care less and those that would try it often are unable to get the kill before being obliterated by Concord (police) which acts instantaneously. Besides, players can insure their ships so they don't lose as much money, which is what any intelligent person would do anyway.

As for your getting banned for what you deemed an unsuitable reason in lieu of other more supposedly "vile" practices, please allow me to inform you of a little fact of life. By downloading and playing the game you are in fact required to play by the rules outlined. If you don't like or find them unfair, you don't have to play the game, no one's forcing you. If you want to play the game but don't like the rules, well tough luck, suck it up or get out. Coincidentally, that's how the real world operates as well, who'd have thought?

In closing, please allow me to say that while internet forums are an excellent medium for channeling your frustration at life, please be considerate of other people who by virtue of not having lives (I jest of course) are forced into reading your misleading and misdirected tyraid.
on May 07, 2008

Zamiel7


Look, since there seems to be an apparent lack of maturity going on here right now (regardless of your chronological/intellectual age) let me just say something. First of all, I have been playing EVE for just about one year now and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I will also say that not once in my entire EVE career have I ever been victimized by any of these occurences nor do I know anyone that has. This is primarily because most of these traps are entirely avoidable if you have even the slightest bit of common sense and know-how, which even a noob can possess should they try. As for those that are not entirely avoidable, like gate camps for instance, they can be circumvented and I have done so on a myriad of occasions. As for more veteran players taking advantage of new players by destroying their new ships with other worthless ones, that is by no means a regular occurence in high security space, if only because most veteran players could care less and those that would try it often are unable to get the kill before being obliterated by Concord (police) which acts instantaneously. Besides, players can insure their ships so they don't lose as much money, which is what any intelligent person would do anyway.As for your getting banned for what you deemed an unsuitable reason in lieu of other more supposedly "vile" practices, please allow me to inform you of a little fact of life. By downloading and playing the game you are in fact required to play by the rules outlined. If you don't like or find them unfair, you don't have to play the game, no one's forcing you. If you want to play the game but don't like the rules, well tough luck, suck it up or get out. Coincidentally, that's how the real world operates as well, who'd have thought?In closing, please allow me to say that while internet forums are an excellent medium for channeling your frustration at life, please be considerate of other people who by virtue of not having lives (I jest of course) are forced into reading your misleading and misdirected tyraid.

Well, since you never saw it, guess it must not be true huh?  Lemme ask you something.  Have you ever seen the continent of Antarctica?  No?  Guess it doesn't exist then.  Logic is fun.


Your claims of "common sense" mean nothing in Eve.  I spend all my time in the game in the newbie channels and noobie area, and the same circumstances happen day in and day out, nonstop.  What you fail to see, with your one year old blinders on, is that your current position the game is overshadowing your own experience when you were new.  You are more than likely in low sec space the vast majority of the time.  I highly doubt that you came into the game with the foreknowledge of greifer tactics, insurance, and even how to fit your ship.  And trust me, I see (or saw) the affliction I coin "veteran's disease" every day.  You claim may be true, but it is most definitely an exception, and not the rule. 

In fact, I suspect you of being one of those people in Eve who tries to get new players into the game by painting the picture of Eve being such a warm and fuzzy game, then getting on TeamSpeak to call your buddies into Nalvula.  But... something like that would never happen in Eve, right?

I'm fully aware of the EULA and its implications.  I never said my banning was unsuitable, merely ironic.  You know, because everyone follows every rule in the EULA every day, even the Devs, right?

 

on May 07, 2008
Eve sounds fun, but is it only PVP?
on May 07, 2008
Eve sounds fun, but is it only PVP?


No, but you can be attacked anywhere. There's a system in place that effectively outlines where PVP is open and allowed, and to what degree, but it's not perfect.

If you're careless you can be attacked anywhere. If you're careful, you're safe.

It is a lot of fun, but you have to realize that you're a noob, or you will die constantly.
on May 07, 2008
My god, what a kindergarten.

If someone gets you banned somewhere, either take it as a man, or fight back accordingly. Going to a totally unrelated third party forum to cry about how bad you've been treated just makes you look like a loser. Bah.
on May 07, 2008
Eve sounds fun, but is it only PVP?No, but you can be attacked anywhere. There's a system in place that effectively outlines where PVP is open and allowed, and to what degree, but it's not perfect.If you're careless you can be attacked anywhere. If you're careful, you're safe. It is a lot of fun, but you have to realize that you're a noob, or you will die constantly.


So eve is basicly a extremely hard mmorpg.
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